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John Day MD's avatar

Thank you, Anastassia.

"It's all models, all the way down", as the saying might be restated.

;-(

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down

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Bruce Danckwerts's avatar

Dear Anastassia,

A LOT to absorb in this substack!

I could not agree more about the World’s focus on the single issue of CO2 – while ignoring the destruction of our soil, our forests and the depletion of our under-ground water. A shortage of water will be our undoing long before Climate Change REALLY kicks in.

In that graph showing the decline in Primary Vegetation, would you be able to give some examples of Primary vegetation < 2kg C/m2? I assume greater than 2 would be the rain forests of Amazon, Congo and the Far East? Would the sub-tropical woodland savannas of Africa fall into the >2 or <2 category? Your boreal forests of the far north? In that graph, what is the difference between the dark maroon and pink classes of disturbed vegetation?

Solar energy falling on cleared land is “unclaimed by Life” is an absolutely brilliant phrase.

“Precipitation and total evaporation (which includes transpiration) are closely matched on the timescale of a few days”. I had assumed that, in southern Africa, the timescale, particularly at the start of our rainy season, would be over a longer time scale of at least several weeks. Some of our “wise” indigenous trees come out into fresh, transpiring leaf in mid-August even though our rains cannot really be expected until late October/early November

“We could perturb this flux by about 3%, or by 2.4W/m2” sounds almost insignificant, but what one has to remember is that energy flux is cumulative. The best illustration of this is that the sun produces heat at the same rate PER UNIT OF VOLUME as the average human digestive system! This small increment of heat from every liter of volume in the sun adds and adds until the total produces the radiation that powers our solar system.

“has a much lower transpiration efficiency corresponding to a grassland”. Is this much lower efficiency of grassland a feature of the seasonality or is it that, even in the middle of a summer growing season, a grassland cannot transpire as much moisture as even a <2kg C/m2 woodland? This is an important point for me to understand – and then to disseminate throughout my community.

I will have to revisit the EVA-FOREST and RGH-FOREST maps as I don’t really understand the point you are trying to make here. What does RGH stand for?

At least those maps can show me where the latitude bands extend to in the next graph. If I read it correctly, deforestation from 50-70N would cause a combined impact of cooling by about 0.4 deg C, while deforestation around the equator including as far South as where I live (15S) would produce an impact of +0.2to+0.4deg C. Why the difference? How important is it to bear in mind that the 10N-10S latitude covers far more of the earth than 50N-70N? I don’t have time to check how much actual land there is in these latitudes, which is obviously an important consideration. I would hate to see any policy (formed on the basis of this graph) that advocated the deforestation of your boreal forests!

“Warming over land is compensated by cooling over the ocean” as a result of suppressing evaporation over a landmass equivalent to ¼ of the earth’s surface. What mechanism explains this, and why does the temperature response change dramatically with the ½ northland, while the Latent Heat flux doesn’t change that significantly through the five different scenarios? This diagram raises (in my mind) more questions than answers!

“I am positive. . . . . . and will again champion thinking”. I love that. Following a terrible drought last (2023/24) rainy season in southern Africa, we are all (naturally) somewhat concerned that we might get a repeat this (2024/25) season which is currently still well below average in terms of rainfall, although we haven’t had the scorching dry weather of last year (yet!) (I recommend interested readers visit the Zambezi River Authority website that shows levels of the Zambezi and Lake Kariba a major source of hydro-electric power for both Zambia and Zimbabwe.) As a result many of us are following various weather forecasting websites and we are mostly very frustrated as they are all, without exception, proving to be hopelessly optimistic, predicting much more rain than actually falls. There was some hope that since Google had made their AI available to the weather forecasters, that the forecasts would become significantly more accurate. I countered that, because their forecasting was based on historic data, it would not compensate for the deforestation, soil degradation and water-table depletion that has taken place in the last few decades. Garbage In still produces Garbage Out, even when supervised by an AI, so, until we run models that include these parameters we can continue to expect poor weather forecasts, and inaccurate Climate Models.

Enough! Bruce Danckwerts, CHOMA, Zambia

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