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Rob Lewis's avatar

Thanks for this excellent analysis. As for the use of the word "core," core implies embeddedness, something central, while the group Dr. Hansen is referring to seems more above and detached than central and core. They operate as though at some sort of pinnacle, gained I guess by their facility with models and math. If Hansen is an outlier, he is just a step or two beside them, but in the same elite strata, which sees a purely physical, mechanistic climate system. It's a group, I'd say, more than a core, and it's main feature is that it is elite, above the rest. And purely physical in outlook.

Dr. Hansen is also the one who gave us, in 1998, the climate graph that assesses "vegetation and other surface alterations" 1850-2000 as causing a mild cooling of .2C. https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.95.22.12753 (unfortunately, I can't figure out to display that graph in this comment.) Could this assumption be at the root of ignoring the biosphere? After all, if that assessment is wrong, it would seem to make a mess of the entire structure.

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Peace2051's avatar

Thank you for this exciting discussion which stretches my ability to fully understand all the nuances. And thank you for that link to James Hansen's paper! You suggested something along the lines that the ocean gave up some of it's stored heat. I've read the solar imbalance heat (which is accelerating alarmingly) is stored in the top 200 meters. I remember reading in my formative years about Beebe and Barton in their Bathesphere 1930-1934 discovering that it it completely dark at an ocean depth of 500 ft (152 meters). Is the temperature (and therefore density) flux well mapped today? Could this lowering of density imply that the vast ability of the deep ocean to moderate surface temperatures won't be available for a long time, time we do not have? Perhaps these are fuzzy concepts but it seems we need to have some way to model how the increasing solar energy imbalance gets "stuck" in the top layer of the oceans leading to rapid increase in tropical air temperatures and storms. Who is studying this?

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