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Peace2051's avatar

Thank you for this exciting discussion which stretches my ability to fully understand all the nuances. And thank you for that link to James Hansen's paper! You suggested something along the lines that the ocean gave up some of it's stored heat. I've read the solar imbalance heat (which is accelerating alarmingly) is stored in the top 200 meters. I remember reading in my formative years about Beebe and Barton in their Bathesphere 1930-1934 discovering that it it completely dark at an ocean depth of 500 ft (152 meters). Is the temperature (and therefore density) flux well mapped today? Could this lowering of density imply that the vast ability of the deep ocean to moderate surface temperatures won't be available for a long time, time we do not have? Perhaps these are fuzzy concepts but it seems we need to have some way to model how the increasing solar energy imbalance gets "stuck" in the top layer of the oceans leading to rapid increase in tropical air temperatures and storms. Who is studying this?

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Rob Moir's avatar

Aerosols includes cloud formation and cumulus cloud formation that includes small water cycles that is not as reductionist as the carbon-focused talk. Aerosols are part of more holistic processes that people must also act to defend and preserve.

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